Tribe Fame Caps

Riveit wrote:Do "racially undetermined" homins gain and lose fame? I can't see my chart but I am now getting attacked by Lagoon Brothers as if they were added to my fame chart and now hate me.

I sent a ticket, and from the response I got, a racially undetermined person is not allowed to see there tribal fame. This is supposed to be a temporary state and this is one of the penalties of being undetermined. This functionality was patched in to production on the last patch.

I can't be bothered to take my Matis citizenship. One of these days when I am not goofing around I'll do it.

Noin.

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It could well be like that , it also seems to carry over into Citizen , for example my ATS Zorai had alot of Tribes in his Fame list prior to the new system and his fame with them now (hes a Zorai Citizen from Undetermined) is what his personal fame was , new Tribes added onto his Fame list since the patch have all started off at the old Civ fame level

That means hes lost out as well as gained tho as for instance hes -2 with the Tutors if hed activated that after the new system (and done the same missions) hed have 64 (-2 personal + 66 Old_Civ/New_Start)

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Petej wrote:it also seems to carry over into Citizen , for example my ATS Zorai had alot of Tribes in his Fame list prior to the new system and his fame with them now (hes a Zorai Citizen from Undetermined) is what his personal fame was ..

Very interesting. So Riviet's ethnological research quest has made him into a bland non-entity for almost all tribes. His fame for visited tribes would vary from -7 or so for the Slavers to +16 with the Smugglers with only the new (not-visited-pre-patch) tribes of the Lagoon Brothers, the Lawless and possibly unknowns like the Firebrands shooting Riveit on sight. So tribal missions DO pay off!

I'll take the plunge of Tryker citizenship and let you know how it turns out. I wonder if the devs will patch this apparent fame aberration or let it stand?

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I'm still confused by the handling of tribal fame.

I did eventually go to Tryker citizenship. Rather than having the -7 Slaver fame that I thought I would have, the bar says -50 Slaver fame. All of the other caps also seem to be in place.

However, new Trykers get shot down when going into the Slaver camp, while I can still walk freely amongst them. So I'm not sure if my Slaver fame is effectively -50.00000 while theirs is lower, or if I still effectively somehow have -7 Slaver fame.

What exactly does your tribal fame window show in these capped but old personal fame cases? Perhaps the difference is that I took the citizenship test later, after a patch or two?

P.S. I really hate the bars, I wish they would just give us the numbers with several decimal places.

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Slavers : 50 [0] -50 [-66] 100 [16] 100 [100]

I think its the thing of gaining fame before the patch meaning you had -7 (from your Personal Fame) with the Slavers and that got capped to -50 when you took Tryker Citizenship (which is just out of KoS) , a new player or someone taking Slaver Fame for the first time since the patch will start out at the old Civ Fame lvl of [-66] and so be KoS

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If you are Racially undetermined you can accuire negative or positive tribal fame. Each time you log out your listing for that Tribe in the Fame window (Ctrl+F) is removed. If you were to do another mision for the same tribe it will continue off the last saved state of fame for that tribe. I have been doing this with Pyromancers, Ancient Dryads and Cockroaches. The last two tribes listed had me on their KoS list before. Had -10 fame with the Dyrads and after a few casual missions over a few weeks I'm 0 fame.

I think Nevrax is trying to give people a reason to do the civ rite. At the moment I can't rationalize having +0 Tryker, +25 Matis with Zorai citizenship sacrificing the ability to do any new rites over seeing tribes in my fame window

It seems that we all would have been better off going to each tribe and killing one gaurd before the fame patch. This is assuming you have +0 Personal Fame in the old system. i can't magine that anyone would be KoS in any tribe had they done that.

Hey Petj, thank you for the hard work in getting this list together!!

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Ariwen wrote:Hey Petj, thank you for the hard work in getting this list together!!

hehe np , I love this kind of info hunting but as you can see there are "holes" in the list so if you have any of the "?" plz post them n il add them in ,unfortunately all my Citizen chars are on the ATS so I cant add more myself (my Live Chars are all Neutral or Undetermined on Race -so far)

PS -Seen my Rites Notes? ,very interested if you have anything to add to that too

http://www.ballisticmystix.com/posts/list/0/90.page#1203

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Petej wrote:hehe np , I love this kind of info hunting but as you can see there are "holes" in the list so if you have any of the "?" plz post them n il add them in

The Sap Gleaners are auto -66 for Tryker citizens*.

I'm still irked because I had a mission for them before the patch but didn't finish it until after the patch.

I'll get you some of the missing Tryker caps as soon as I get in-game.

*Oops, you already knew that.

P.S. Where are the Restorers? I thought they were legendary like the Black Kamis and the White Karavan.

Petej wrote:

Ariwen wrote:Hey Petj, thank you for the hard work in getting this list together!!

hehe np , I love this kind of info hunting but as you can see there are "holes" in the list so if you have any of the "?" plz post them n il add them in ,unfortunately all my Citizen chars are on the ATS so I cant add more myself (my Live Chars are all Neutral or Undetermined on Race -so far)

PS -Seen my Rites Notes? ,very interested if you have anything to add to that too

http://www.ballisticmystix.com/posts/list/0/90.page#1203

Ill have to get online ans see what I have on my list, and compare to the info you have already got. Dont ive gotten anymore then you but if I find any tidbits out shall post here,

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Here is Riveit's tribal fame listing. Riveit's allegiance is to Tryker civilization. Many of the caps seem to be different from what you listed. Did the devs change the tribal fame caps in a patch after you posted these? Four of the missing Tryker ones are:

Cockroaches -50
Gibbay 50
Keepers 30
Sap Gleaners -50

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I take it youre Karavan on Cult ? , I tested with Race Citizen / Neutral Cult , maybe Cult Alligence modifys it ?

Cant check that till the ATS comes back

The Restorers -ah yes thats an error I think its the old name for the "Watchers" Tribe

Petej wrote:I take it youre Karavan on Cult ? , I tested with Race Citizen / Neutral Cult , maybe Cult Alligence modifys it ?

Yes, Riveit is Karavan aligned. We need some input from others to test your hypothesis.

That was something I was hoping to look into but I dont want to take any of my Live chars into Cult Faction -just yet , realy need the ATS back

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The tribe fame seems to have some buggy details. For instance, I lost a few tribes from my list that I had personal fame with such as the Barkers, the Pyromancers, the Cuzans (cutes) and the First Deserters. I redid a mission with the Barkers and they show up again as the "barkers" with +1 fame. However, a new player does 1 mission and has -32 fame with them. So they were not completely removed from my fame scores, just hidden.

Riveit has a Barker fame cap of 80.