Tribe Fame Caps

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So if you are correct about the effect of Karavan devotion, the Tryker citizen tribal fame caps would be:

Tryker Citizen / Neutral Cult / Karavan Cult

Ancient Dryads : [-66] -50 (-50)
AntiKamis : [-16] 50 (80)
Barkers : [-33] 100 (80)
Beach Combers : [33] 100 (80)
Black Circle : [-16] 100 (100)
Cholorogoos : [-66] -50 (-50)
Cockroachs : [-16] ? (-50)
Company of the Eternal Tree : [-16] 50 (-50)
Corsair : [66] 100 (80)
Cute : [0] 80 (100)
Darkening Sap : [-66] -50 (-50)
Dune Riders : [-33] 100 (30)
Ecowarriors : [100] 100 (-50)
Firebrands : [-16] ? (?)
First Deserter : 50 [16] (?)
Frahar : [-33] ? (?)
Frahar Hunters : [33] 80 (50)
Gibbay : [-16] ? (50)
Goo Heads : [-16] 50 (100)
Green Seed : [50] 100 (100)
Hamazans of the Dead Seed : [-16] 100 (30)
Icon Workshipers : [-16] 50 (50)
Keepers : [16] ? (30)
Kitin Gatherers : [16] 50 (?)
Lagoon Brothers : [-66] -50 (-50)
Lawless : [-66] -50 (?)
Leviers : [-50] 50 [16] 80 (30)
Master of the Goo : [16] 50 (100)
Matisian Border Guards : [-33] 100 (?)
Night Turners : [0] 50 (?)
Oasis Diggers : [33] 100 (100)
Pyromancers : [-16] 50 (30)
Recoverers : [-33] 50 (-50)
Renegades : [16] 50 (100)
Root Tappers: [50] 100 (?)
Sacred Sap : [-16] 50 (-50)
Sap Gleaners : [-66] ? (-50)
Sap Slaves : [-16] 50 (80)
Scorchers : [16] 50 (?)
Shadow Runners : [100] 100 (80)
Siblings of the Weeds : [16] 50 (30)
Silt Sculpters : [83] 100 (100)
Slavers : [-66] -50 (-50)
Smuglers : [0] 100 (100)
The Arid Matis : [-33] 50 (50)
The Kuilde : [33] 100 (100)
The Slash and Burn : [50] 80 (100)
Tutors : [-66] -50 (-50)
Watchers/Restorers : [-33] 50 (?)
Water Breakers : [-50] 50 (?)
Woven Bridles : [-66] -50 (-50)

[xxx] = Old Civ Fame/Start Fame
xxx = New Cap

The tribal cap changes seem to make sense as the effects of Karavan allegiance. A few changes seem too severe - the Kami Tryker Ecowarriors changing from +100 to -50, and a few too tolerant - the Oasis Diggers leaving +100 to Karavan Trykers. The Chlorogoos appear to be wrong. They are Karavan aligned, but move from +50 to -50 with Karavan allegiance? Could you have missed a minus sign there?

P.S. edited Chlorogoos Tryker Neutral fame cap to -50

The Chlorogoos appear to be wrong. They are Karavan aligned, but move from +50 to -50 with Karavan allegiance? Could you have missed a minus sign there?

Could well be it doesnt seem right to me either , I think it was one of the ones someone else told me actualy lol

Ah yes Trini

http://ryzom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=275537&postcount=9

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I just started comparing Doubletap's pics of his Matis+Karavan fame caps vs. the ones that you put for Matis+Neutral at the start of this thread.

http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21106&page=2&pp=10

DT's tribal fame caps show the influence of the Karavan rite also. For instance, the Beachcomber's cap drops from 100 to 50, the Company of the Eternal Tree's drops from 100 to -50, the Ecowarriors' drops from 50 to -50, etc.

DT's anomalous issues with the Company of the Eternal Tree and the Recoverer fames becoming -50 are simply the new Karavan fame caps dropping the values down from DT's old personal fame. This phenomena was not more obvious from DT because he had thoroughly antagonized nearly all of the Kamist tribes.

So it seems apparent that Karavan and Kami cult rites do radically alter the tribal fame caps.

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Petej wrote:Ah yes Trini

Later in the thread, Trini says she has -50 Chlorogoos fame. So the question is resolved.

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From Doubletap's Tribal Fame lists:

Matis Citizen / Neutral Cult / Karavan

Ancient Dryads : [-100] -50 (-50)
AntiKamis : [16] 100 (100)
Barkers : [33] 100 (100)
Beach Combers : [16] 100 (50)
Black Circle : [16] 100 (100)
Cholorogoos : [-66] -50 (-50)
Cockroachs : [-83] -50 (-50)
Company of the Eternal Tree : [16] 100 (-50)
Corsair : [-33] 50 (50)
Cute : [-16] 50 (50)
Darkening Sap : [50] 80 (100)
Dune Riders : [0] 100 (50)
Ecowarriors : [-50] 50 (-50)
Firebrands : [-16] 50 (50)
First Deserter : -50 [-66] (-50)
Frahar : [-33] 100 (100)
Frahar Hunters : [33] 80 (50)
Gibbay : [-16] 50 (50)
Goo Heads : [16] 100 (?)
Green Seed : [50] 100 (100)
Hamazans of the Dead Seed : [100] 100 (80)
Icon Workshipers : [66] 100 (80)
Keepers : [-16] 33 (30)
Kitin Gatherers : [16] 100 (100)
Lagoon Brothers : [-66] -50 (-50)
Lawless : [-66] 100 (-50)
Leviers : [-16] 50 (50)
Master of the Goo :[0] ? (?)
Matisian Border Guards :[-16] 50 (?)
Night Turners :[0] 50 (50)
Oasis Diggers : [0] 50 (80)
Pyromancers : [0] 100 (30)
Recoverers : [-33] -50 (-50)
Renegades : [50] 100 (100)
Root Tappers: [16] 50 (50)
Sacred Sap : [-50] 50 (-50)
Sap Gleaners : [-66] -50 (-50)
Sap Slaves : [66] 80 (100)
Scorchers : [-66] -50 (-50)
Shadow Runners : [-50] 100 (50)
Siblings of the Weeds : [-16] 50 (50)
Silt Sculpters : [33] 100 (100)
Slavers : [100] 100 (100)
Smuglers : [0] 100 (100)
The Arid Matis : [66] 100 (100)
The Kuilde : [50] 100 (100)
The Slash and Burn : [-66] -50 (-50)
Tutors : [-66] 100 (-50)
Watchers/Restorers : [-50] 33 (30)
Water Breakers : [16] 50 (30)
Woven Bridles : [-83] -50 (-50)

[xxx] = Old Civ Fame/Start Fame
xxx = New Cap

These changes in caps follow the same pattern after the Karavan rite. The only anomaly I see is in the Oasis Diggers who seem to have forgotten that they are Kamist. Perhaps they are actually ecumenical believers?

Riveit wrote:

Petej wrote:Ah yes Trini

Later in the thread, Trini says she has -50 Chlorogoos fame. So the question is resolved.

Ah well spotted I missed that

Nice to see Cult does make a difference was hoping that was the case , does mean some of my entries for Neutrals will be "cooked" now tho as ive put some info in from other ppl who my well have had Cult Citizenship ,shouldnt be too many of those tho I had quite alot myself -need the ATS :/

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I did missions for more tribes and added them to the Tryker Citizen-Karavaneer list. I noticed an interesting phenomena. When I added a new tribe to my fame list, the fame cap was always set to 100. After logging out and relogging, the fame cap is lowered to its proper value. In one case, I did missions for a hostile tribe before logging and raised my fame to -48

- only to have the -50 cap reasserted when I relogged the next day.

It's good to be aware of this fact before adding the fame caps into the listing. I wonder if some of your Neutral cult 100 caps might be due to this effect.

Another annoying bug was that I did a First Deserter mission (again) - got them on my fame list again - but then they disappeared again with logging out.