http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net
Ancient Dryads : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][-83] -50 [/color][color=green][-100] -50[/color]
AntiKamis : [color=violet][-66] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-50] 50 [/color][color=green][16] 100[/color]
Barkers : [color=violet][33] 80 [/color][color=cyan][-33] 100 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][33] 100[/color]
Beach Combers : [color=violet][83] 100 [/color][color=cyan][33] 100 [/color] [color=brown][-16] 100 [/color][color=green][16] 100[/color]
Black Circle : [color=violet][-50] 100 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 100 [/color] [color=brown][-33] 50 [/color][color=green][16] 100[/color]
Cholorogoos : [color=violet][-66] ? [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][-66] ? [/color][color=green][-66] -50[/color]
Cockroachs : [color=violet][-66] ? [/color][color=cyan][-16] ? [/color] [color=brown][-83] ? [/color][color=green][-83] -50[/color]
Company of the Eternal Tree : [color=violet][66] 100 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50[/color] [color=brown][-16] 50 [/color][color=green][16] 100[/color]
Corsair : [color=violet][-33] 50 [/color][color=cyan][66] 100 [/color] [color=brown][-33] 100 [/color][color=green][-33] 50[/color]
Cute : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][0] 80 [/color] [color=brown][-16] ? [/color][color=green][-16] 50[/color]
Darkening Sap : [color=violet][-66] -50 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][50] 80[/color]
Dune Riders : [color=violet][33] 80 [/color][color=cyan][-33] 100 [/color] [color=brown][-50] 100 [/color][color=green][0] 100[/color]
Ecowarriors : [color=violet][83] 100 [/color][color=cyan][100] 100 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][-50] 50[/color]
Firebrands : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-16] ? [/color] [color=brown][0] ? [/color][color=green][-16] 50[/color]
First Deserter : [color=violet]50 [0] [/color][color=cyan]50 [16] [/color] [color=brown]100 [33] [/color][color=green]-50 [-66][/color]
Frahar : [color=violet][-33] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-33] ? [/color] [color=brown][0] ? [/color][color=green][-33] 100[/color]
Frahar Hunters : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][33] 80 [/color] [color=brown][83] 100 [/color][color=green][33] 80[/color]
Gibbay : [color=violet][0] 80 [/color][color=cyan][-16] ? [/color] [color=brown][-16] ? [/color][color=green][-16] 50[/color]
Goo Heads : [color=violet][-66] -50 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][16] 100[/color]
Green Seed : [color=violet][16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][50] 100 [/color] [color=brown][16] 50 [/color][color=green][50] 100[/color]
Hamazans of the Dead Seed : [color=violet][33] 100 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 100 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][100] 100[/color]
Icon Workshipers : [color=violet][33] 100 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-16] 50 [/color][color=green][66] 100[/color]
Keepers : [color=violet][16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][16] ? [/color] [color=brown][16] ? [/color][color=green][-16] 33[/color]
Kitin Gatherers : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][33] ? [/color][color=green][16] 100[/color]
Lagoon Brothers : [color=violet][-66] -50 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][-66] ? [/color][color=green][-66] -50[/color]
Lawless : [color=violet][-66] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][-83] -50 [/color][color=green][-66] 100[/color]
Leviers : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-50] 50 [/color] [color=brown][16] 80 [/color][color=green][-16] 50[/color]
Master of the Goo : [color=violet][-66] -50 [/color][color=cyan][16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][0] ? [/color][color=green][0] ?[/color]
Matisian Border Guards : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-33] 100 [/color] [color=brown][-33] 100 [/color][color=green][-16] 50[/color]
Night Turners : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][0] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-16] ? [/color][color=green][0] 50[/color]
Oasis Diggers : [color=violet][50] 100 [/color][color=cyan][33] 100 [/color] [color=brown][66] 100 [/color][color=green][0] 50[/color]
Pyromancers : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][50] 100 [/color][color=green][0] 100[/color]
Recoverers : [color=violet][16] 100 [/color][color=cyan][-33] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-16] ? [/color][color=green][-33] -50[/color]
Renegades : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-66] -50 [/color][color=green][50] 100[/color]
Root Tappers: [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][50] 100 [/color] [color=brown][100] 100 [/color][color=green][16] 50[/color]
Sacred Sap : [color=violet][83] 80 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][33] 80 [/color][color=green][-50] 50[/color]
Sap Gleaners : [color=violet][-16] 100 [/color][color=cyan][-66] ? [/color] [color=brown][-66] ? [/color][color=green][-66] -50[/color]
Sap Slaves : [color=violet][-50] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-16] 50 [/color][color=green][66] 80[/color]
Scorchers : [color=violet][-66] -50 [/color][color=cyan][16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][-83] -50 [/color][color=green][-66] -50[/color]
Shadow Runners : [color=violet][16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][100] 100 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][-50] 100[/color]
Siblings of the Weeds : [color=violet][83] 100 [/color][color=cyan][16] 50 [/color] [color=brown][16] 50 [/color][color=green][-16] 50[/color]
Silt Sculpters : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][83] 100 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][33] 100[/color]
Slavers : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][16] 100 [/color][color=green][100] 100[/color]
Smuglers : [color=violet][-33] 50 [/color][color=cyan][0] 100 [/color] [color=brown][0] 100 [/color][color=green][0] 100[/color]
The Arid Matis : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-33] 50 [/color] [color=brown][16] 50 [/color][color=green][66] 100[/color]
The Kuilde : [color=violet][-50] 50 [/color][color=cyan][33] 100 [/color] [color=brown][-16] 50 [/color][color=green][50] 100[/color]
The Slash and Burn : [color=violet][-33] 50 [/color][color=cyan][50] 80 [/color] [color=brown][33] 80 [/color][color=green][-66] -50[/color]
Tutors : [color=violet][66] 80 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][-66] -50 [/color][color=green][-66] 100[/color]
Watchers : [color=violet][-16] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-33] 50 [/color] [color=brown][33] 100 [/color][color=green][-50] 33[/color]
Water Breakers : [color=violet][0] 50 [/color][color=cyan][-50] 50 [/color] [color=brown][66] 100 [/color][color=green][16] 50[/color]
Woven Bridles : [color=violet][-66] -50 [/color][color=cyan][-66] -50 [/color] [color=brown][-16] 50 [/color][color=green][-83] -50[/color]


[xxx] = Old Civ Fame/Start Fame
xxx = New Cap
Damn gonna lose loads and those negative caps will make it impossible not to be KoS (-50) :/

Be interesting to see what if any changes occur once I get them enough Fame to go Cult...]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1066.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1066.page GMT
I had an odd drop in some of my fame scores, perhaps because of the server reset issue after patch. For instance, Karavan dropped from 35 to 33, for no reason I could determine. However I was running Cuzan missions at the time.

All of the tribal fame scores that I had converted to my personal tribal fame, except I have a new -66 for the Lagoon Brothers.]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1075.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1075.page GMT
-Raku]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1076.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1076.page GMT
Possibly this lock applies to tribal fame. However, in some instances, I know that tribal fame can, at least, go down. I was in a team that killed Sap Slaves and I am pretty sure I accrued -7 fame with them from this encounter (However, my Dryad fame did not go up at the same time).]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1077.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1077.page GMT
you can do missions and still get/lose fame
undetermined kami/kara, do kara mission, +kara, -kami fame
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Realy dont want to be anything but Undetermined Civ on my main until ive found out what happens to the Tribe caps for each race , could lose out big time :/]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1080.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1080.page GMT
Some other things I find hard to believe in:
-gravity
-that the earth is round
-that it's safe to team with Raku... oh, wait, that one's serious]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1081.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1081.page GMT
I never had a blank Tribe tab. I think all of the tribes I had personal fame with were there (although some were mispelled the Cuzans became Cutes and I dislike the new box style) before I took the Karavan rite. At present as undetermine/Karavan, the fame that shows is my personal fame with the Tribes, unmodified by race, faction or guild.

I've had odd things happen since I took the Karavan rite. I accomplished four Cuzan missions. Their name popped on my fame chart but I gained no fame with them, I am at zero. At the same time the Lagoon Brothers popped on my fame chart with -66 fame, although I had done no missions with them. I assume this happened because they are auto-enemies of the Cuzan.

I believe my Sap Slave fame went down for being in a team killed which them, but I'm not positive, I will have to test again. Could this mean that as undetermined your fame can go down but not up?]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1083.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1083.page GMT
BTW the Earth is flat and shaped like a cone , its just the curvature of space that distorts the veiw and makes it look round also Elvis lives !!! ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1084.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1084.page GMT
-Ex]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1091.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1091.page GMT
As to why do tribal missions, for the adventure! Riveit is a dedicated ethnolographer of Atys. He has been on a quest to do a mission with every tribe and has only a few tribes left to reach. Solo visiting them all has been an entertaining challenge. He had bequeathed Aedan Artisans members a guild fame list of almost all tribes - until the devs eliminated guild tribal fame. :p Also there may be rites buried in these missions, one never knows. ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1092.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1092.page GMT
Just got my Tryker to Citizen so il be able to get some more info now ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1095.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1095.page GMT
Do "racially undetermined" homins gain and lose fame? I can't see my chart but I am now getting attacked by Lagoon Brothers as if they were added to my fame chart and now hate me.

However, the Ancient Dryads still are fine with me even though I should have about -75 Ancient Dryad fame. Are they still using the -80 KoS pt because I'm racially undetermined?]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1206.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1206.page GMT
[quote]. The server rounds fame figure with tribes as a result, at a certain fame number (-50), depending on the rounding, you are either KoS with a tribe or not. We thought you'd like to know that. Best to be -51, at least you are clearly KoS.[/quote]

from here:-

http://www.ryzom.com/?page=releasenotes

Shame they didnt make that cap at -49 so you could be sure to not be KoS if you worked at it :/]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1208.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1208.page GMT
It seems to me that the tribal fame is a little buggy in implementation. For example, I had a slight increase in fame with the Ancient Dryads before the patch to -65 (from -66). That is enough to make them cool with me now. However, Pero, who had no relations with them and is presumably -66 now, is now considered fair game for the Dryads to shoot at. I am guessing that they are using my personal mission fame modifier of +1 with the Dryads, instead of the [+1-66]=-65 Dryad fame total. Could the undetermined homins be using the personal fame modifier, e.g. my +1 with Dryads, in cases where the homin has personal fame and using the racial fame default in cases where they have no personal adjustments? Does this match up with your experiences?

]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1209.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1209.page GMT I sent a ticket, and from the response I got, a racially undetermined person is not allowed to see there tribal fame. This is supposed to be a temporary state and this is one of the penalties of being undetermined. This functionality was patched in to production on the last patch.

I can't be bothered to take my Matis citizenship. One of these days when I am not goofing around I'll do it.

Noin.]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1211.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1211.page GMT
That means hes lost out as well as gained tho as for instance hes -2 with the Tutors if hed activated that after the new system (and done the same missions) hed have 64 (-2 personal + 66 Old_Civ/New_Start)]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1212.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1212.page GMT
Very interesting. So Riviet's ethnological research quest has made him into a bland non-entity for almost all tribes. His fame for visited tribes would vary from -7 or so for the Slavers to +16 with the Smugglers with only the new (not-visited-pre-patch) tribes of the Lagoon Brothers, the Lawless and possibly unknowns like the Firebrands shooting Riveit on sight. So tribal missions DO pay off! I'll take the plunge of Tryker citizenship and let you know how it turns out. I wonder if the devs will patch this apparent fame aberration or let it stand?]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1214.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1214.page GMT
I did eventually go to Tryker citizenship. Rather than having the -7 Slaver fame that I thought I would have, the bar says -50 Slaver fame. All of the other caps also seem to be in place.

However, new Trykers get shot down when going into the Slaver camp, while I can still walk freely amongst them. So I'm not sure if my Slaver fame is effectively -50.00000 while theirs is lower, or if I still effectively somehow have -7 Slaver fame.

What exactly does your tribal fame window show in these capped but old personal fame cases? Perhaps the difference is that I took the citizenship test later, after a patch or two?


P.S. I really hate the bars, I wish they would just give us the numbers with several decimal places. ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1319.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1319.page GMT
I think its the thing of gaining fame before the patch meaning you had -7 (from your Personal Fame) with the Slavers and that got capped to -50 when you took Tryker Citizenship (which is just out of KoS) , a new player or someone taking Slaver Fame for the first time since the patch will start out at the old Civ Fame lvl of [-66] and so be KoS]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1320.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1320.page GMT
I think Nevrax is trying to give people a reason to do the civ rite. At the moment I can't rationalize having +0 Tryker, +25 Matis with Zorai citizenship sacrificing the ability to do any new rites over seeing tribes in my fame window

It seems that we all would have been better off going to each tribe and killing one gaurd before the fame patch. This is assuming you have +0 Personal Fame in the old system. i can't magine that anyone would be KoS in any tribe had they done that.]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1328.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1328.page GMT ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1532.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1532.page GMT [/quote]

hehe np , I love this kind of info hunting but as you can see there are "holes" in the list so if you have any of the "?" plz post them n il add them in ,unfortunately all my Citizen chars are on the ATS so I cant add more myself (my Live Chars are all Neutral or Undetermined on Race -so far)

PS -Seen my Rites Notes? ,very interested if you have anything to add to that too

http://www.ballisticmystix.com/posts/list/0/90.page#1203]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1534.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1534.page GMT
The Sap Gleaners are auto -66 for Tryker citizens*. I'm still irked because I had a mission for them before the patch but didn't finish it until after the patch.

I'll get you some of the missing Tryker caps as soon as I get in-game.


*Oops, you already knew that.

P.S. Where are the Restorers? I thought they were legendary like the Black Kamis and the White Karavan.]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1537.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1537.page GMT [/quote]

hehe np , I love this kind of info hunting but as you can see there are "holes" in the list so if you have any of the "?" plz post them n il add them in ,unfortunately all my Citizen chars are on the ATS so I cant add more myself (my Live Chars are all Neutral or Undetermined on Race -so far)

PS -Seen my Rites Notes? ,very interested if you have anything to add to that too

http://www.ballisticmystix.com/posts/list/0/90.page#1203[/quote]

Ill have to get online ans see what I have on my list, and compare to the info you have already got. Dont ive gotten anymore then you but if I find any tidbits out shall post here, ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1539.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1539.page GMT
Cockroaches -50
Gibbay 50
Keepers 30
Sap Gleaners -50


]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1542.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1542.page GMT
Cant check that till the ATS comes back

The Restorers -ah yes thats an error I think its the old name for the "Watchers" Tribe]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1543.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1543.page GMT [/quote]

Yes, Riveit is Karavan aligned. We need some input from others to test your hypothesis.]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1544.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1544.page GMT ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1545.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1545.page GMT
Riveit has a Barker fame cap of 80.]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1547.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1547.page GMT
Tryker Citizen / Neutral Cult / [color=red]Karavan Cult[/color]

Ancient Dryads : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
AntiKamis : [-16] 50 [color=red](80)[/color]
Barkers : [-33] 100 [color=red](80)[/color]
Beach Combers : [33] 100 [color=red](80)[/color]
Black Circle : [-16] 100 [color=red](100)[/color]
Cholorogoos : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Cockroachs : [-16] ? [color=red](-50)[/color]
Company of the Eternal Tree : [-16] 50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Corsair : [66] 100 [color=red](80)[/color]
Cute : [0] 80 [color=red](100)[/color]
Darkening Sap : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Dune Riders : [-33] 100 [color=red](30)[/color]
Ecowarriors : [100] 100 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Firebrands : [-16] ? [color=red](?)[/color]
First Deserter : 50 [16] [color=red](?)[/color]
Frahar : [-33] ? [color=red](?)[/color]
Frahar Hunters : [33] 80 [color=red](50)[/color]
Gibbay : [-16] ? [color=red](50)[/color]
Goo Heads : [-16] 50 [color=red](100)[/color]
Green Seed : [50] 100 [color=red](100)[/color]
Hamazans of the Dead Seed : [-16] 100 [color=red](30)[/color]
Icon Workshipers : [-16] 50 [color=red](50)[/color]
Keepers : [16] ? [color=red](30)[/color]
Kitin Gatherers : [16] 50 [color=red](?)[/color]
Lagoon Brothers : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Lawless : [-66] -50 [color=red](?)[/color]
Leviers : [-50] 50 [16] 80 [color=red](30)[/color]
Master of the Goo : [16] 50 [color=red](100)[/color]
Matisian Border Guards : [-33] 100 [color=red](?)[/color]
Night Turners : [0] 50 [color=red](?)[/color]
Oasis Diggers : [33] 100 [color=red](100)[/color]
Pyromancers : [-16] 50 [color=red](30)[/color]
Recoverers : [-33] 50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Renegades : [16] 50 [color=red](100)[/color]
Root Tappers: [50] 100 [color=red](?)[/color]
Sacred Sap : [-16] 50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Sap Gleaners : [-66] ? [color=red](-50)[/color]
Sap Slaves : [-16] 50 [color=red](80)[/color]
Scorchers : [16] 50 [color=red](?)[/color]
Shadow Runners : [100] 100 [color=red](80)[/color]
Siblings of the Weeds : [16] 50 [color=red](30)[/color]
Silt Sculpters : [83] 100 [color=red](100)[/color]
Slavers : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Smuglers : [0] 100 [color=red](100)[/color]
The Arid Matis : [-33] 50 [color=red](50)[/color]
The Kuilde : [33] 100 [color=red](100)[/color]
The Slash and Burn : [50] 80 [color=red](100)[/color]
Tutors : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]
Watchers/Restorers : [-33] 50 [color=red](?)[/color]
Water Breakers : [-50] 50 [color=red](?)[/color]
Woven Bridles : [-66] -50 [color=red](-50)[/color]


[xxx] = Old Civ Fame/Start Fame
xxx = New Cap


The tribal cap changes seem to make sense as the effects of Karavan allegiance. A few changes seem too severe - the Kami Tryker Ecowarriors changing from +100 to -50, and a few too tolerant - the Oasis Diggers leaving +100 to Karavan Trykers. The Chlorogoos appear to be wrong. They are Karavan aligned, but move from +50 to -50 with Karavan allegiance? Could you have missed a minus sign there?

P.S. edited Chlorogoos Tryker Neutral fame cap to -50

]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1549.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1549.page GMT
Could well be it doesnt seem right to me either , I think it was one of the ones someone else told me actualy lol

Ah yes Trini

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http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21106&page=2&pp=10

DT's tribal fame caps show the influence of the Karavan rite also. For instance, the Beachcomber's cap drops from 100 to 50, the Company of the Eternal Tree's drops from 100 to -50, the Ecowarriors' drops from 50 to -50, etc.

DT's anomalous issues with the Company of the Eternal Tree and the Recoverer fames becoming -50 are simply the new Karavan fame caps dropping the values down from DT's old personal fame. This phenomena was not more obvious from DT because he had thoroughly antagonized nearly all of the Kamist tribes. So it seems apparent that Karavan and Kami cult rites do radically alter the tribal fame caps.
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Later in the thread, Trini says she has -50 Chlorogoos fame. So the question is resolved. ]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1554.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1554.page GMT
Matis Citizen / Neutral Cult / [color=lightblue]Karavan[/color]

Ancient Dryads : [-100] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
AntiKamis : [16] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Barkers : [33] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Beach Combers : [16] 100 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Black Circle : [16] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Cholorogoos : [-66] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Cockroachs : [-83] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Company of the Eternal Tree : [16] 100 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Corsair : [-33] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Cute : [-16] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Darkening Sap : [50] 80 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Dune Riders : [0] 100 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Ecowarriors : [-50] 50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Firebrands : [-16] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
First Deserter : -50 [-66] [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Frahar : [-33] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Frahar Hunters : [33] 80 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Gibbay : [-16] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Goo Heads : [16] 100 [color=lightblue](?)[/color]
Green Seed : [50] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Hamazans of the Dead Seed : [100] 100 [color=lightblue](80)[/color]
Icon Workshipers : [66] 100 [color=lightblue](80)[/color]
Keepers : [-16] 33 [color=lightblue](30)[/color]
Kitin Gatherers : [16] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Lagoon Brothers : [-66] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Lawless : [-66] 100 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Leviers : [-16] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Master of the Goo :[0] ? [color=lightblue](?)[/color]
Matisian Border Guards :[-16] 50 [color=lightblue](?)[/color]
Night Turners :[0] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Oasis Diggers : [0] 50 [color=lightblue](80)[/color]
Pyromancers : [0] 100 [color=lightblue](30)[/color]
Recoverers : [-33] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Renegades : [50] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Root Tappers: [16] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Sacred Sap : [-50] 50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Sap Gleaners : [-66] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Sap Slaves : [66] 80 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Scorchers : [-66] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Shadow Runners : [-50] 100 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Siblings of the Weeds : [-16] 50 [color=lightblue](50)[/color]
Silt Sculpters : [33] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Slavers : [100] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
Smuglers : [0] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
The Arid Matis : [66] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
The Kuilde : [50] 100 [color=lightblue](100)[/color]
The Slash and Burn : [-66] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Tutors : [-66] 100 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]
Watchers/Restorers : [-50] 33 [color=lightblue](30)[/color]
Water Breakers : [16] 50 [color=lightblue](30)[/color]
Woven Bridles : [-83] -50 [color=lightblue](-50)[/color]


[xxx] = Old Civ Fame/Start Fame
xxx = New Cap

These changes in caps follow the same pattern after the Karavan rite. The only anomaly I see is in the Oasis Diggers who seem to have forgotten that they are Kamist. Perhaps they are actually ecumenical believers?]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1555.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1555.page GMT [/quote]

Later in the thread, Trini says she has -50 Chlorogoos fame. So the question is resolved. [/quote]

Ah well spotted I missed that

Nice to see Cult does make a difference was hoping that was the case , does mean some of my entries for Neutrals will be "cooked" now tho as ive put some info in from other ppl who my well have had Cult Citizenship ,shouldnt be too many of those tho I had quite alot myself -[i]need[/i] the ATS :/]]> http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1557.page http://forum.ballisticmystix.net/jforum/posts/preList/243/1557.page GMT - only to have the -50 cap reasserted when I relogged the next day. It's good to be aware of this fact before adding the fame caps into the listing. I wonder if some of your Neutral cult 100 caps might be due to this effect.

Another annoying bug was that I did a First Deserter mission (again) - got them on my fame list again - but then they disappeared again with logging out.
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